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		<title>christians and pagans christmas song</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted this song quite a while ago, and wished I had posted it at Christmas time. It is funny and lively, and I find it hopeful, and it tugs at my heart strings. Happy Christmas everyone! Filed under: Christianity, friendships, music Tagged: Christianity, christmas, dar williams, music, relationships<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=4034&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.darwilliams.com/"><img src="http://atimetorend.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/images.jpg?w=85&#038;h=85" alt="" title="images" width="85" height="85" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-331" /></a>I posted this song quite a while ago, and wished I had posted it at Christmas time. It is funny and lively, and I find it hopeful, and it tugs at my heart strings. Happy Christmas everyone!</p>
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		<title>too many bibles?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most, but not all, of the bibles in our home, rounded up together. At least one was out-of-town when the photo was taken, and one was retrieved a week later, after a year-long exile in a Quaker Meeting lost and found. There is a massive exhaustive concordance hiding under the pile, a relic I imagine [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3936&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Most, but not all, of the bibles in our home, rounded up together. At least one was out-of-town when the photo was taken, and one was retrieved a week later, after a year-long exile in a Quaker Meeting lost and found. There is a massive exhaustive concordance hiding under the pile, a relic I imagine in this Internet age. Readers here may recognize the cute animals front and center.</p>
<p>I just sold the boxed &#8220;PERSONAL SIZE GIANT PRINT BIBLE&#8221; on the left. It went for $35 in case you are wondering what you would have to shell out for one of your own. :^)</p>
<p>How many bibles do you have?</p>
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		<title>a gracious van</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a picture I took at a stop light a couple of weeks ago. I would have liked to meet the owner of the van, with their interesting combination of bumper stickers; one from a fundamentalist university which once banned a student Democrat club, and the other showing support for the anti-christ now President [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3855&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a picture I took at a stop light a couple of weeks ago. I would have liked to meet the owner of the van, with their interesting combination of bumper stickers; one from a fundamentalist university which once <a href="http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2009/may/22/lu_pulls_plug_on_democratic_club-ar-221201/">banned a student Democrat club</a>, and the other showing support for  <del datetime="2010-10-14T13:37:52+00:00">the anti-christ</del> now President Obama. I wonder what kind of looks they would receive from passers-by at an alumni weekend back in Lynchburg?</p>
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<p>Which reminds me of the bumper sticker on my father&#8217;s car, which attended a couple of conservative evangelical church conferences with us. We would always wonder if it raised any eyebrows.</p>
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		<title>you need Jesus!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine told me this story, quoted verbatim below, which he witnessed first hand at a family gathering. It was a conversation between an elderly aunt and her nephew, who is gay and out of the closet to the family (but apparently not to her). Aunt Bernice: You&#8217;re getting older, aren&#8217;t you ready [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=2789&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2793" title="ynj" src="http://atimetorend.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ynj.jpg?w=122&#038;h=101" alt="" width="122" height="101" />A friend of mine told me this story, quoted verbatim below, which he witnessed first hand at a family gathering. It was a conversation between an elderly aunt and her nephew, who is gay and out of the closet to the family (but apparently not to her).</p>
<p><em>Aunt Bernice</em>: You&#8217;re getting older, aren&#8217;t you ready to settle down and get married?<br />
<em>Nephew (in annoyed and firm voice)</em>: Aunt Bernice, <strong>I&#8217;m gay</strong>!<br />
<em>Aunt Bernice</em>: You need Jesus!!!</p>
<p>End of conversation. Dramatic silence fills the room while laughter is stifled&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Though this is an extreme example, I think the same dynamic affects a lot of conversations. It is not hard for me to imagine a response like that (though maybe not so blunt) to any number of expressed or perceived problems. This is not necessarily evangelizing on the Christian&#8217;s part, it could be said with the same conviction to another Christian.</p>
<p>One problem is the person dispensing the advice (&#8220;You need Jesus&#8221;) is assuming they have the right answer for the other person. Would it sound differently if it were, &#8220;You need Buddha/acupuncture/Prozac/gummi bears/a smack upside the head!&#8221;? Do you <em>really know</em> what someone else needs?</p>
<p>I wrote this post on a bad day (a while back). I had lost sleep the night before, was stressed about work, got angry with one of my children, and had frozen pizza for dinner. Basically, one of those days when I had a feeling deep down inside saying, &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t have done that.&#8221; It was a day when I did not want to be told I needed Jesus.</p>
<p>When I feel really bad, I usually want a little compassion, I think that is true for everyone. Sure, there are times when we need a kick in the seat of the pants to get over a bad attitude. And there can be a danger of enabling bad attitudes by offering unqualified affirmation. But sometimes, maybe a bad day is just a bad day. And we don&#8217;t need Aunt Bernice to tell us otherwise.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Most of us have never really been thirsty. We’ve never had to leave our houses and walk 5 miles to fetch water. We simply turn on the tap, and water comes out. Clean. Yet there are a billion people on the planet who don’t have clean water.&#8221; Rachel Held Evans posted this week on a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3725&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.charitywater.org/whywater/"><img src="http://atimetorend.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/hands.jpg?w=150&#038;h=87" alt="" title="hands" width="150" height="87" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-3752" /></a><em>&#8220;Most of us have never really been thirsty. We’ve never had to leave our houses and walk 5 miles to fetch water. We simply turn on the tap, and water comes out. Clean. Yet there are a billion people on the planet who don’t have clean water.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Rachel Held Evans <a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/30bloggers1">posted this week</a> on a project she is a supporting, <a href="http://www.charitywater.org">charity: water</a>. This non-profit works to obtain clean water for people who don&#8217;t have it. If you have a moment, I recommend the video below, it&#8217;s about five minutes long. Or <a href="http://www.charitywater.org/whywater">click here for a brief overview</a>.</p>
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<p>I am not an expert, but have long been interested in appropriate technologies for developing nations, and currently work in water and wastewater engineering (in one very developed nation). It seems to be an area where a little financial and logistical help can really go a long way.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.charitywater.org/about/mission.php">charity: water website</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;They didn&#8217;t choose to be born into a village where the only source of water is a polluted swamp. And we didn’t choose to be born in a country where even the homeless have access to clean water and a toilet. We invite you to put yourself in their shoes. Follow them on their daily journey. Carry 80 pounds of water in yellow fuel cans. Dig with their children in sand for water. Line up at a well and wait 8 hours for a turn. Now, make a decision to help. We’re not offering grand solutions and billion dollar schemes, but instead, simple things that work. Things like freshwater wells, rainwater catchments and sand filters.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are some of my favorite books critiquing evangelical Christianity: Inspiration and Incarnation, Peter Enns God&#8217;s Word in Human Words, Kenton Sparks The Blue Parakeet, Scot McKnight Evolving in Monkey Town, Rachel Held Evans These books share a common thread; they all critique conservative evangelical Christianity from within the framework of evangelical Christianity itself. Meaning [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3616&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<li><a href="http://atimetorend.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/reconstructing-daniel/">Inspiration and Incarnation</a>, Peter Enns</li>
<li><a href="http://atimetorend.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/gods-word">God&#8217;s Word in Human Words</a>, Kenton Sparks</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Parakeet-Rethinking-Read-Bible/dp/0310284880">The Blue Parakeet</a>, Scot McKnight</li>
<li><a href="http://atimetorend.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/evolving-in-monkey-town/">Evolving in Monkey Town</a>, Rachel Held Evans</li>
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<p><strong>These books share a common thread; they all critique conservative evangelical Christianity from within the framework of evangelical Christianity itself.</strong> Meaning the authors remain evangelicals themselves, which I think uniquely positions them to be heard better by Christian readers. Probably less threatening than someone on the outside with the message, &#8220;Your biblical framework is lacking!&#8221; (maybe Bart Ehrman?). And because they have held onto the parts of Christianity they feel are important or essential, they have something more to offer than only negative observations (as I tend to have).</p>
<p>I especially appreciate the intellectual honestly displayed by the authors in the way they ask difficult questions, rather than offering up soft balls they already have the answers too (Lee Strobel, <em>et al</em>?). They all describe a Christianity which depends less on a literal interpretation of the bible and allows for a higher degree of mystery in their faith. They also tend to hold to a less exclusivist form of Christianity; that is, they do not necessarily consider everyone who believes differently than them to be bound for Hell.</p>
<p><strong>For me personally, the books also share a common thread where they all fall short; they fail to describe a Christianity which I find believable as ultimately true.</strong> My overall question when studying the bible became, &#8220;Is the bible true?&#8221; I certainly did not find it to be true in the conservative evangelical sense. And while the books offer alternatives to that conservative, literal reading of the bible, my general doubt about the factuality of the bible still seems to be an insurmountable problem for having Christian faith.</p>
<p>I do not think Christians have to consider discarding their faith before they can honestly examine and discuss it. And correspondingly, others should not have to earnestly attempt to believe the bible before they can honestly examine and discuss it. Too many books about Christianity (both for and against it) seem to be based on those premises. These authors provide great examples of showing sincere respect for those who believe differently than they do. By doing this, they promote dialog and intellectual discourse over diatribe and rhetoric, and find common ground rather than defined divisions.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quote from this interview on Focus on the Family, where they discuss how to deal with gay activists infiltrating the public school system with their sneaky agenda: &#8220;The gay activists have become very adept at using fun engaging images, cute little pictures of furry animals, to capture children&#8217;s imagination and familiarize them with the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3579&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.christianbook.com/the-beginners-bible-timeless-childrens-stories/9780310709626/pd/709628#curr&quot; target=&quot;_blank" target="_blank"><img class="size-full wp-image-3580 alignleft" title="cuteanimals" src="http://atimetorend.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cuteanimals.jpg?w=97&#038;h=112" alt="" width="97" height="112" /></a>A quote from <a href="http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/08/26/how-to-identity-teh-gay-adgenda/">this interview</a> on Focus on the Family, where they discuss how to deal with gay activists infiltrating the public school system with their sneaky agenda:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The gay activists have become very adept at using fun engaging images, cute little pictures of furry animals, to capture children&#8217;s imagination and familiarize them with the whole idea of same sex parenting and gay marriage.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Well, who would ever think of <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/the-beginners-bible-timeless-childrens-stories/9780310709626/pd/709628#curr" target="_blank">doing something like that</a>?</p>
<p><em>As a side note, I have always found the cute animals in the book linked to above odd. They are randomly inserted in page after page, generally unrelated to the stories in any way.</em></p>
<p>ht: <a href="http://unreasonablefaith.com">unreasonable faith</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just finished reading Rachel Held Evans, Evolving in Monkey Town, which does a remarkable job of delving into issues of doubt and faith with intellectual honestly. Evans grew up thoroughly immersed in the evangelical culture, but was compelled to honestly examine it with open eyes. I think that is extremely difficult to do for someone [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3407&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/book"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-3408" title="monkeytown" src="http://atimetorend.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/monkeytown.jpg?w=97&#038;h=150" alt="" width="97" height="150" /></a>I just finished reading Rachel Held Evans, <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/book">Evolving in Monkey Town</a>, </span>which does a remarkable job of delving into issues of doubt and faith with intellectual honestly. Evans grew up thoroughly immersed in the evangelical culture, but was compelled to honestly examine it with open eyes. I think that is extremely difficult to do for someone who grows up within evangelicalism&#8217;s  &#8221;biblical worldview.&#8221; Evans seems to be representative of a number of younger evangelicals who are not comfortable accepting the culture wars and dogmatic beliefs and doctrines of early generations.</p>
<p>Evans writes pointedly about the problems that arise from a literalistic, inerrant reading of the bible, and tells candidly how her faith changed through this process of examination. The book uses the motif of evolution to describe what both Christianity has done over the years, and what has happened to the author&#8217;s own faith as well. Her home town was the location of the famous Scopes Monkey Trial, thus the analogy to evolution. It describes how skeptics and Christians alike can experience these problems, and indeed Evans has the same questions herself.</p>
<p>This vision of Christian faith offers something of an acceptance of the tension between belief and unbelief, believer and unbeliever, rather than assuming a rigid and vast divide separates the two. Which in turn seems to offer the opportunity for greater dialog and understanding in discussing issues, rather than hostile debates and attempts to convince others to change their beliefs. Reading the book very refreshing in this way.</p>
<p>I think the book can help encourage Christians who are compelled to ask hard questions of their faith, as Evans describes what it was like to face the disapproval of other Christians. It is a tough path to walk alone. Even without sharing the same experience of faith as the author, an unbeliever could walk away from the book with a better understanding of who evangelicals are, and how their religion has come to the point it is at today.</p>
<p>Reading this post  over, it sounds a lot like the technical paper I wrote the same day. I&#8217;ll try to revisit the subject soon to give a more personal take, time and emotional energy allowing.</p>
<p>For those interested, Evan&#8217;s blog provides a good taste of her writing. She <a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/ken-ham-response" target="_blank">recently responded</a> to an Answer&#8217;s in Genesis review of her own work. She also has a couple of good posts on doubt <a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/family-friends-doubt-1" target="_blank">-here-</a> and <a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/doubt-family-friends-2" target="_blank">-here-</a>. Mark of <a href="christiandoubt.com">christiandoubt.com</a> reviews <a href="http://christiandoubt.com/2010/06/21/evolving-in-monkey-town/">it here</a>.</p>
<p>And I included some more thoughts on the book in a <a href="http://atimetorend.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/critiquing-evangelicalism">follow up post here</a>.</p>
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		<title>you might be a theologian if&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The picture to the left shows angels dancing on the head of a pin. One more post along these lines, then on to other things&#8230; Evangelicalism tends to overstate the confidence people can have in knowing its doctrines are true. OK, I know I can be overconfident about what I believe as well. But as [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=2216&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Evangelicalism tends to overstate the confidence people can have in knowing its doctrines are true. OK, I know I can be overconfident about what I believe as well. But as a religion, or maybe the culture it produces, I think evangelicalism is especially susceptible to this problem.</p>
<p>As an example, below is a brief transcription from a question and answer period following a lecture by Phoenix Theological Seminary theologian <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Grudem">Wayne Grudem</a>, found somewhere on <a href="http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Audio-and-Multimedia/Speakers-Lectures-and-Sermons/Wayne-Grudem/">this site</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Question</b>:<br />
If there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, then why is death the punishment for sin? If all our penalty for sin has been paid by Christ and he died for us, then why do we die?
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<blockquote><p><b>Answer</b>:<br />
That is a little bit of a puzzle. I think we have to say that death for [Christians] should <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> be seen as a punishment, because the penalty for our sins has been paid by Christ. Rather, it must be that God, in his wisdom and his sovereign good pleasure, has good purposes for us in allowing us to go through the experience of death, and I suppose [of aging] leading up to death.</p>
<p>One point is that God, even though he has forgiven us, still allows us to live in a fallen world, and death is the final outcome of living in a fallen world. Because, even though Christ in his death paid the penalty for us to earn his perfect fullness of salvation with all its blessing, all that has not been applied yet, so death is not yet removed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I spent a number of years working in computer customer support. Have you ever spoken with a computer support analyst who sounded like they were making things up? They probably were! <em>&#8220;The problem is caused by the variegated VGA daughterboard, it&#8217;s a type A12 you know&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The theological answers above strike me in much the same way. &#8220;<em>I think we have to say&#8230;</em>&#8221; Why would anyone <em>have </em>to say that? How about, &#8220;We can&#8217;t know, but maybe&#8230;&#8221; Or something like that, I think it would be more honest. &#8220;<em>I think we have to say&#8230;</em>&#8221; assumes there is one correct and comprehensive system into which the verses of the bible can be compiled. And that a teacher needs to have a correct answer for every question.</p>
<p>You might be a theologian if&#8230;<u>you make stuff up</u>! Or you might be a computer support analyst&#8230;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Al Mohler seems to be the go-to-fundamentalist in many Christian circles today. He has an article in Christianity Today decrying the overturning of Proposition 8 in California yesterday. Below are some quotes from the article, along with my comments. &#8220;On page after page, Judge Walker &#8230;declares the evidence and arguments put forth by the defenders [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=atimetorend.wordpress.com&amp;blog=6372035&amp;post=3413&amp;subd=atimetorend&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-3414" title="seismicca" src="http://atimetorend.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/seismicca.jpg?w=127&#038;h=150" alt="" width="127" height="150" />Al Mohler seems to be the go-to-fundamentalist in many Christian circles today. He has <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/augustweb-only/41.41.0.html?start=1">an article</a> in Christianity Today decrying the overturning of Proposition 8 in California yesterday. Below are some quotes from the article, along with my comments. </p>
<p><em>&#8220;On page after page, Judge Walker &#8230;declares the evidence and arguments put forth by the defenders of Proposition 8 as lacking in any rational basis&#8221;</em><br />
And the rational basis is what? The defenders of Proposition 8 had their day in court, they had their witnesses take the stand to make their case. And the judge found that, yes, they were indeed lacking a rational basis for their opinion. This statement only attempts to persuade based on rhetorical skill, and nothing else. </p>
<p><em>&#8220;A single unelected judge nullified the will of the voters of California as expressed through the electoral process.&#8221;</em><br />
Isn&#8217;t that an established purpose of federal judges, to rule on the Constitutionality of legislation? I am not a scholar of our government, but that is my basic understanding. </p>
<p>&#8220;Until this verdict, such language had never appeared in a decision of a Federal court. If gender is no longer &#8220;an essential part of marriage,&#8221; then marriage has been essentially redefined right before our eyes.&#8221;<br />
This is true, but wasn&#8217;t that true one time of race relations in the United States? It would have been true then, just as it is today. But that doesn&#8217;t make it wrong, just (perhaps) unprecedented.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The central institution of human civilization suffered a direct hit, and its future hangs in the balance.&#8221;</em><br />
That is true only if Mohler believes marriage is defined by governmental rules. But of course he would say it is defined by God as expressed in the bible, right? If so, what factual impact does this statement carry?</p>
<p>If one is to assault gay marriage from a religious perspective, do it from a religious perspective, and within religious institutions. The legislation in question is part of a culture war and a religious issue, but not a case of judicial incompetence or injustice.</p>
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